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FFH - Interest Rate Risk
niels12think   6/14/2008   
i got it mixed up - i interpreted the reinsurance contracts as sold by fairfax, not as recoverables. I.e. (17041+4360-(16628+4242))=531.   regards   ...
FFH - Interest Rate Risk
oldye   6/14/2008   
You can't make it any simpler than that. As others have stated before me, Fairfax's competitors are in for what may turn into the perfect storm. With roughly 50% ...
FFH - Interest Rate Risk
niels12think   6/14/2008   
nbsp; If you futher consider that the fair value of the long term debt of Fairfax including subs and including other long term obligations would also decline with rising interest ...
rates, then we further approach zero net effect. This decline in the case of Fairfax would be very real, as the company has the resources to retire the debt if ...
FFH - Interest Rate Risk
nsw2093   6/14/2008   
A recurrent good observation. From Sep07: "At Dec06 Fairfax had $5bn in bonds over 10 years. That seems incongruent with "protection … against the 1 ...
translate into wondrous CDS gains. Rather than protect against any 1-in-50 years eventuality, Fairfax seem to be betting on certain potentialities. I think the huge portfolio allocation to long-...
think it's a conceptual mistake regardless of how it plays out. Conversely I think Fairfax's CDS and certain equity investments were brilliantly conceived. Note the above rumination may be ...
...
FFH - Interest Rate Risk
niels12think   6/14/2008   
their outlook for interest rates. This is why i was mentioning it. From the 2008 Fairfax annual letter to shareholders, pages 10-11: " In our 2005Annual Report, we also discussed the ...
to the sentiment currently prevailing in the U.S.!!" here's the link: http://www.fairfax.ca/Assets/Downloads/080307ceo.pdf   I too - like yourself - see many differencies between Japan ...
FFH - Interest Rate Risk
niels12think   6/13/2008   
as a hedge against stagflation and that higher yields - should they occur - will present Fairfax with very nice choices for investments that will yield higher returns going forward.   ...
Fairfax acquire 20% of Arab Orient
oldye   6/10/2008   
in 2007, Arab Orient generated nearly 26 million in gross pre...

2011 LEAPs of Fairfax
uccmal2   6/10/2008   
No one has put 2011 Leaps up for sale on anything yet. ...

S&P Upgrades Fairfax Subs and Holding Co!
StubbleJumper   6/10/2008   
Sanj, Now that's an upgrade worth noting!

2011 LEAPs of Fairfax
jay   6/9/2008   
Hello,     I am waiting to purchase the 2011 LEAPs of Fairfax. I was expecting to see them last week. But I don't see any. Any ...

Time For Prem To Live Up To The Legend!
SanjeevParsad   6/9/2008   
I was re-reading the very first article I had ever seen on Fairfax Financial.  It was by Jeff Bronchick of Reed, Conner & Birdwell and was published ...
com.  In it, Bronchick had stated that he had recently just become aware of Fairfax and Prem.  At the time, Fairfax had about $1250 of float per share, and ...
that we suffered.  But Bronchick had some very astute, if unfortunately timed, commentary on Fairfax's business model.  He had estimated that at a 6% return on the $18B ...
...

Tilson article on FFH in FT
gaf1010   6/9/2008   
the weekend Financial Times wrote an article for the "Inside Curve" column, titled:    "Fairfax can offer a port in the post-bubble storm".   Dont have a link to ...
article but here is the last paragraph:   At about $260, Fairfax shares trade at tangible book value, or 1.3 x's if one excludes the ...
today is getting that business at a discount, while also a free call option on Fairfax's CDS portfolio, which could be worth billions more than its current stated bv.  &...

S&P Upgrades Fairfax Subs and Holding Co!
gaf1010   6/9/2008   
Breifing.com adds a few more lines   4:19PM Fairfax Financial: S&P upgrades Fairfax Financial units; outlook stable ( FFH ) 253.00 +0.45 : ...
competitive position that is diversified geographically and by sector, as well as reduced debt leverage. Fairfax historically had very high debt leverage, but this has been steadily declining the last few ...
S&P Upgrades Fairfax Subs and Holding Co!
oldye   6/9/2008   
cheers!
S&P Upgrades Fairfax Subs and Holding Co!
SanjeevParsad   6/9/2008   
S&P has upgraded Fairfax's operating subs to BBB+ and the actual holding company to BB+.  Cheers!   ...
FFH hits book
mills-man   6/9/2008   
Fairfax is not an easy stock to buy and hold. In one year we touch 340 ...
in stock portfolio value (lvlt,ico and abh).  The reason come from perception that Fairfax investment team were just lucky on investment side. Its why we have an opportunity now. ...
In march i sold a 30% of my Fairfax to buy ORH. I will now buyback Fairfax. Thanks to Cardboard.     I'm ...

Fairfax acquire 20% of Arab Orient
Partner24   6/9/2008   
Fairfax acquire 20% of Arab Orient (apparently a $ 10 million investment).   They call FFH "Fairfax Group" in the article. They also quote Prem Watsa about the investment they made.   ...

Next leg of the bear market?
mills-man   6/7/2008   
price. And he is a master dooing it. But the leverage and the position of Fairfax portfolio force me to look on the macro picture. Today, we saw bear in control, ...
i just don't buy it. No real innovative country. If i i'm right Fairfax is a real bargain at this level. ...

FFH vs MKL
mills-man   6/6/2008   
LVLT and ABH today. Great! Overall the CDS story was very positive for Fairfax. Maybe we miss the top, but the most important for me is the fact than ...

ABXA @ 2.5
Cardboard12   6/6/2008   
its decline. It is an interesting situation which reminds me of the dark days of Fairfax in early 2003.   In terms of very fast growing, do you mean EPS growing ...

FFH vs MKL
Cardboard12   6/5/2008   
I believe that Fairfax is down because the short term news on the company is mostly negative:   1- ...

IDT
netnet   6/4/2008   
stock as a top ten. (Confession here, it took me years to get comfortable with Fairfax.) The stock is cheap--and has been for years. The key variable here is Jonas. ...

FFH vs MKL
viking   6/4/2008   
Before the two US aquisitions that nearly put the company under, Fairfax traded at a higher multiple than Markel. Only in the last 18 months has Fairfax&...

T2 Shoots Down Gretchen Morgenson FFH Article!
SanjeevParsad   6/2/2008   
Tongue and Whitney Tilson have written a rebuttal to Gretchen Morgenson's recent article on Fairfax Financial, and it is in their May 2008 Letter to Partners.    Perhaps subconsciously, ...
small amount of resentment and animosity towards Whitney, for his past public short position on Fairfax...yours truly included.   I think much of it stems from a couple of ...

Where are the winners?
uccmal2   5/31/2008   
to know that most are in the same boat such as Bill Miller, Francis Chou, Fairfax (on the equity side), presumably Longleaf, Pabrai etc.  Good time to buy, lousy ...

Specialty Underwriters Alliance (SUAI)
uccmal2   5/30/2008   
Courtney Smith was fired from Fairfax...for helping to run TIG into the ground... ...
Specialty Underwriters Alliance (SUAI)
tiddman1   5/30/2008   
bad business, and the management team is very experienced. One other negative, Courtney Smith (of Fairfax Financial fame) sure pays himself pretty well, and this looks particularly bad considering the company'...
WSJ: Bill Miller takes it on the chin again
Partner24   5/30/2008   
that he was a basher like we saw over the last few years with the Fairfax project. But I do not think that it is the case with him. I think ...

SNS
bargainman   5/30/2008   
the biggest fan of his activist and 'harsh' tactics (I pointed out the discrepancy between Fairfax -Fair and Friendly acquisitions, and Sardar). But I don't think the problem here is ...

WEST or SNS?
inv4   5/30/2008   
same few stocks? Unless people here have half of their net worth in SNS or Fairfax or Sears, etc. then why do they warrant constant attention versus the tens of thousands ...

Fitch Upgrades Fairfax to Investment Grade!
oldye   5/29/2008   
At first I wasn't 100% w/ Prem when he said that ratings don'...

The Next Buffetts - Canadian Business!
Partner24   5/28/2008   
to share!   The especially interesting ones that I've seen so far are Fairfax and subs, Markel, Leucadia and Bidvest.   Cheers!   P.S.: Some others that ...

Fitch Upgrades Fairfax to Investment Grade!
SParsad   5/28/2008   
finally are upgrading, then that bodes well for others who actually have greater access to Fairfax's management like AM Best, Standard & Poors and DBRS.  Cheers! ...
Fitch Upgrades Fairfax to Investment Grade!
StubbleJumper   5/27/2008   
For those who don't remember: http://www.fairfax.ca/Assets/Downloads/Press/fpr2004-08-31.pdf Fitch can go jump in a lake....
Fitch Upgrades Fairfax to Investment Grade!
StubbleJumper   5/27/2008   
Sanj, With respect, who cares about Fitch. Don't give them ...
Fitch Upgrades Fairfax to Investment Grade!
SanjeevParsad   5/27/2008   
Fitch has upgraded Fairfax to investment grade...could more upgrades be next from others!  Cheers!   http://www....
2422-   From another site:   http://finance.yahoo.com/marketupdate/inplay   2:55PM Fairfax Financial: Fitch Upgrades Fairfax's IDR to investment grade and Sr. Debt to 'BB+'; Outlook ...
Stable ( FFH ) 281.58 +1.36 : Fitch Ratings has upgraded the ratings of Fairfax Financial Holdings Limited as follows: Issuer Default Rating to 'BBB-' from 'BB+' and Senior debt ...
...
Fairfax article in NY Times
Cardboard12   5/26/2008   
whole company underwriting results collapse.   In terms of the importance of investment results at Fairfax, I think that she is right on. Fairfax EBIT is still slightly negative when you ...
Fairfax article in NY Times
mikenhe   5/26/2008   
terrible article. how can you try to cover every part of fairfax in such a short article.   It was either a shoddy piece of journalism or ...
did Cardboard write this?
mikenhe   5/26/2008   
nbsp; found it hard to dispute anything in there.   maybe you could do a fairfax article for NYT!! ...

Fairfax article in NY Times
Pohick2   5/26/2008   
She's a Pulitzer Prize winner, so I'm not going to doubt he...
Fairfax article in NY Times
Shah_Khezri   5/26/2008   
I am of the belief that what many of us have learned over ...
Fairfax article in NY Times
653211   5/25/2008   
I am of the belief that what many of us have learned over the...
Fairfax article in NY Times
SanjeevParsad   5/25/2008   
If you are going to write a piece that places a shadow on ...
Fairfax article in NY Times
Shah_Khezri   5/25/2008   
I don't discredit her achievements, she's had pretty good pie...
Fairfax article in NY Times
SanjeevParsad   5/25/2008   
She's a Pulitzer Prize winner, so I'm not going to doubt her...
Fairfax article in NY Times
n-tres-ted1   5/25/2008   
Some work by this NYT reporter in the past has been admirable...
Fairfax article in NY Times
StubbleJumper   5/25/2008   
Let the media and the shorts keep up their noise. Prem et al...
Fairfax article in NY Times
oldye   5/25/2008   
Sorry Sanjeev, I think I misinterpreted what you were saying...
Fairfax article in NY Times
SanjeevParsad   5/25/2008   
stones, but it does clearly effect the liquidity of the company. The cds portfolio protects Fairfax Shareholders from further negative economic developments. Fairfax has not increased their book of business and ...
Fairfax article in NY Times
oldye   5/25/2008   
stones, but it does clearly effect the liquidity of the company. The cds portfolio protects Fairfax Shareholders from further negative economic developments. As of quarter end 20% of equity is in ...
insurance against further economic problems. Everyone should understand the entire dimensions of such a position, Fairfax management clearly and adequately explains that the counter party risk is limited due to collateral ...
Fairfax article in NY Times
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Fairfax article in NY Times
SanjeevParsad   5/25/2008   
Gretchen made one comment that Fairfax has less cash at present than at the end of 2006, but the fact is ...
http://www.pwc.com/uk/eng/ins-sol/publ/brs/SolventSchemes04.pdf   Lastly, when Fairfax originally bought the CDS portfolio, any future gains were simply icing on the cake.  ...
Fairfax article in NY Times
Myth4654   5/25/2008   
 Doesn't appear to be a well researched article. Hasn't...
Fairfax article in NY Times
kumar   5/25/2008   
right and that the claims don’t turn out to be whoppers. If they are, Fairfax’s finances might get squeezed. Indeed, while some liken Mr. Watsa to Mr. Buffett, the ...
model consists of a company generating profits through careful insurance underwriting and perspicacious investing. At Fairfax, the underwriting cushion would seem not so plump should Mr. Watsa’s hot investment hand ...
ORH Numbers - BV = $40.32
smazz   5/18/2008   
million aggregate principal amount of Notes is held by pension plans of certain subsidiaries of Fairfax Financial Holdings Limited. ...
ORH Numbers - BV = $40.32
Cardboard12   5/16/2008   
worth more because of this."     In my view, the people who really help Fairfax recapitalize without taking advantage of the situation were NB and ORH minority shareholders who bought ...
itself from the false allegations of ICP. Silence is often interpreted as: it's true. Fairfax has not defended ORH either or promised to repay any tax liability resulting from ...
Fairfax's actions with Bank of America.   2- ORH keeps lowering written premiums expectations (10% ...
...
ABXA @ 2.5
Cardboard12   5/16/2008   
What a joke that is! And these guys are trying to earn respect? At Fairfax, they raise the dividend when they have good results and at Odyssey Re no? If ...

Steak'n Shake 2nd Q!
bargainman   5/15/2008   
thing holding Sardar back is that he needs a larger stake to get things rolling." Fairfax == Fair and Friendly Acquisitions. Fair? maybe Friendly? not a chance. I guess strictly speaking it ...
Steak'n Shake 2nd Q!
SanjeevParsad   5/15/2008   
with Sardar, as well as former director and co-founder Sue Aramian. - Finally, even if Fairfax could inject $100M, it's highly unlikely that they could buy enough shares at a ...
Fairfax & LVLT!
omagh   5/15/2008   
do it as their balance sheet strengthens. I had a chat with Sam Mitchell @ 2007 Fairfax dinner about OSTK and he was convinced about the people running the business and I'...
Fairfax & LVLT!
lessthanIV   5/14/2008   
Hi O,   Did you ever plot the diagrams for Overstoc...
Fairfax & LVLT!
omagh   5/14/2008   
Oldye..."I still don't understand OSTK longterm business valu...
Fairfax & LVLT!
oldye   5/14/2008   
"On the good news, we can expect some increase in BV related ...
Fairfax & LVLT!
dfcanuck   5/14/2008   
make a purchase in today's environment.  I would not be suprised if Fairfax supplies further capital to Canwest. BTW, Fairfax also bought a bunch more Torstar recently - ...
Fairfax & LVLT!
mills-man   5/14/2008   
On the good news, we can expect some increase in BV related ...
Question about Bill Miller -- talent or just luck?
SanjeevParsad   5/14/2008   
heavily on that bet.  He made $2B at one point.  Compare that to Fairfax putting $500M on the line, and earning $2B on their CDS portfolio.  So, the ...

Fairfax & LVLT!
oldye   5/13/2008   
Since end of Q1, we've obviously experience some extensive ma...
Fairfax & LVLT!
Partner24   5/13/2008   
Details about US equity portfolio changes:   http:...
Fairfax & LVLT!
omagh   5/13/2008   
dfcanuck, Has CanWest committed to a deleveraging plan? Buy...
Fairfax & LVLT!
dfcanuck   5/13/2008   
Fairfax has backed up the truck again on CanWest Global... Fairfax, ABC Funds, and even Deans Knight now own CanWest.     ...
Fairfax & LVLT!
loonginvestor1   5/13/2008   
It appears that both Longleaf and HW both felt that LVLT was...
Fairfax & LVLT!
watsa_is_a_randian_hero   5/13/2008   
Capital IQ shows they only had 22 million shares of lvlt at 1...
Fairfax & LVLT!
oldye   5/13/2008   
looks like we got 1.6m more JNJ!
Fairfax & LVLT!
SanjeevParsad   5/13/2008   
According to Fairfax's filings today, they now have 117M LVLT shares, up from 46M last quarter.  ...
David Einhorn`s " Fooling Some of the People All of the Time"
smw3971   5/12/2008   
as pretty unethical, if not blatantly illegal. But it's the attacks on companies like Fairfax, with all the chicanery and intrigue under the surface, that concern me the most. Then ...

Insurance Co Earnings
mills-man   5/9/2008   
You are right on, Viking. We are talking like this in another post. Fairfax is down but after an incredible run up last two years. No comparison possible ...
Insurance Co Earnings
viking   5/8/2008   
it is manipulation but rather a further example of how inefficient markets actually are.   Fairfax price movement appears to be doing its quarterlty sell off...   The quote from the ...
Possible larger dividend for ORH?
mills-man   5/8/2008   
The size of the buyback let me think than Fairfax want probably own 100 % of ORH. But they don't want to pay a premium, ...
use all the annonced 400M, the float would be reduce to around 62M this year. Fairfax part is 42.4M, public float near 20M. A bid at 42 $ by Prem &...
nbsp;would be expensive for Fairfax actually. 840M its not little change. With another billion at holdco it would be another ...
...
Possible larger dividend for ORH?
smazz   5/8/2008   
Someone on this board made an excellent remark previously that there was major overlap within Fairfax insurance operations and that there could be a nice opportunity to streamline some of that. ...
Odyssey Re is developing a substantial U.S. insurance operation while Crum & Forster is Fairfax vehicle for U.S. insurance."   That would be me! Unless someone else posted something ...
Possible larger dividend for ORH?
Cardboard12   5/8/2008   
owned while readied to be IPO'd if needed. So accessing public markets for Fairfax by selling shares of subsidiaries is relatively easy.   Prem could make a low ...
put a significant floor under ORH share price and inflict mortal damage to the shorts (Fairfax and Odyssey Re). That is because a fair value opinion would have to be put ...
together by an investment bank for an independent committee of the board that would study Fairfax's offer. The investment bank would have no choice, but come back and say that ...
...
Buffett comment on Fairfax?
Partner24   5/6/2008   
I would be very surprise if Berkshire owned some FFH shares....
Buffett comment on Fairfax?
lotsofcoke   5/6/2008   
I woud be pleasantly surprised if Berkshire owns any FF...
Buffett comment on Fairfax?
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Buffett comment on Fairfax?
JohnReuwer1   5/6/2008   
Not only does Warren know FFH, I would be willing to bet he k...
Buffett comment on Fairfax?
lotsofcoke   5/6/2008   
There you have it! In Andy's book... I haven't read the last...
Can a private investor get float-like characteristics in today's environment?
SanjeevParsad   5/6/2008   
characteristics, then you are already enjoying the benfits of float.  For example, buying Berkshire, Fairfax, Odyssey Re, Markel or White Mountains (among just a few) at book value gives ...

Buffett comment on Fairfax?
berkshiremystery   5/5/2008   
C'mon.... LOC ! ....   Prem is also mentioned...
Buffett comment on Fairfax?
Pohick2   5/5/2008   
From the notes in documents <<-----------------:} &n...
Buffett comment on Fairfax?
Pohick2   5/5/2008   
Buffett mentioned that the derivative gains at FFH did not s...
Buffett comment on Fairfax?
uccmal2   5/5/2008   
Lotsofcoke: That's quite a memory about an article a few y...
Buffett comment on Fairfax?
lotsofcoke   5/5/2008   
As I recall, I had also mentioned Fairfax Financial to Mr. Buffett once in correspondance... Even if my recolectionis erroneous, Mr. Buffett ...
nbsp;John Zemanovich (Raven Investment Management) was in the Wall Street Journal talking about Fairfax a few years back and indicating it was not the same as a Berkshire Hathaway - ...
Deepcapture & Mark Mitchell
lessthanIV   5/5/2008   
however the full story can be read by following the link. It's excellent and Fairfax shareholders will recognize many names.   <IV http://www.deepcapture.com/   The Columbia ...

Buffett comment on Fairfax?
SanjeevParsad   5/5/2008   
planet, so it would not be surprising to hear him say that he knows of Fairfax.  I think alot of people will know about Fairfax one day, when it becomes ...
AIG!  Plus every time I write Warren, I always tell him about Prem and Fairfax anyway!    Cheers! ...

FFH 1st quarter
oldye   5/5/2008   
yet but I'm lovin it! The highlight of the AGM was when Warren mentioned Fairfax...I can imagine what will happen as the disciples of the Church of Buffett and ...
Munger get a whiff of Fairfax Sanjeev, you know Fairfax as well as anybody, and I remember you saying how business students will be studying ...

Buffett comment on Fairfax?
VIzi   5/4/2008   
During the CDS question, he mentioned a "small insurance company" named Fairfax that had recorded nearly a billion dollars in CDS gains, then mentioned that someone recorded ...
will say it came out of nowhere and it was interesting to hear him say "Fairfax". ...
Buffett comment on Fairfax?
Partner24   5/4/2008   
point,  Mr. Buffett also referred to another insurance firm I used to follow, Fairfax Financial , which benefited from the re-pricing of credit default swap risks .   http://socialize....
post.aspx?App=Berks   Did he hear right? Was there any further comment about Fairfax? ...
Odyssey Re Conference Call Transcript!
SanjeevParsad   5/2/2008   
conference call had a lot more color in the Q&A section than the Fairfax conference call.  I think shareholders of either company will learn alot more about what'...

FFH 1st quarter
SanjeevParsad   5/2/2008   
much of the business is reinsurance, where capacity is high relative to demand.  While Fairfax owns much of Odyssey, they are also more diversified across geographic locations and lines of ...
FFH 1st quarter
Cardboard12   5/2/2008   
they should be compared using the same accounting principles. According to the latest results from Fairfax, we need to substract $113.7 million to obtain common equity per U.S. GAAP. ...
32% to catch up with dad.... and most peers.   Some have told me: "Well, Fairfax does better during good times." Oh yes? In what was a wonderful quarter for Fairfax, ...
sound logical to some. Unfortunately, I am sad to tell you that we lost: Fairfax is up 1.7% after-hours and Odyssey Re is down again 0.9%.   ...
FFH 1st quarter
SanjeevParsad   5/1/2008   
investment gains.  Lower than 1st Q 2007, as interest rates have come down.  Fairfax should make up for this on the investment side as they put more and more ...
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