as odd that different standards are in use. If we look at the results of Fairfax growth in book value from Q4 2004 (including dividends) it looks something like Q4 2004&...
are demanding a 40%-50% discount to book in order for a person to trust Fairfax with his money, then which discount to book should a prudent investor demand in order ...
or hedge fund with his investment? After all, the results and long history of Fairfax compared to most or most other investment managers suggests to me that Fairfax is the ...
you have not mentioned? >>>But acquisitions have always been part of Fairfax's game, so what's the plan going forward? If they are not going to ...
It is easy to name insurers that did better than Fairfax in 2007 (if that's what you mean by "in the last year"), for example ...
base your analysis upon that. It is easy to name insurers that did better than Fairfax in 2007 (if that's what you mean by "in the last year"), for example ...
You will not see Fairfax at a 50-60% discount to book value <<< That is a pretty ...
ask me. >>> Based on year-end book values relative to market price, the last time Fairfax approached 80% was in 1990 when it finished at 74%. <<< Well fortunately, ...
was closer to 40% of book, I think I got it at around 50-55%. >>> Fairfax today is a completely different company than just three years ago, let alone eight years ...
the risk free rate is a great way to evaluate the company. Some think that Fairfax will generate sustained underwriting profits in the 3-5% range going forward, but I don'...
the risk free rate. I don't think Berkshire is capable of that, let alone Fairfax or anyone else. Well I guess we disagree. Fairfax established its business ...
different game by developing insurance franchises like GEICO, BHRG, National Indemnity, etc. I think Fairfax is already in the top 5%. Name me any insurer that has done better ...
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survival, though I think that time has passed. But acquisitions have always been part of Fairfax's game, so what's the plan going forward? If they are not going to ...
companies is difficult, and becomes more difficult the larger they are. So I wonder if Fairfax is at a size where growth by acquisition is no longer feasible? >>> As for paying ...
is a good buy and 110-125% of book is overpriced. You will not see Fairfax at a 50-60% discount to book value. Based on year-end book values ...
relative to market price, the last time Fairfax approached 80% was in 1990 when it finished at 74%. Fairfax subsequently bought ...
Longleaf does. Remember, they've held LVLT for as long as they've held Fairfax, and that has not done as well. You remember LVLT right Tidd? Fairfax today ...
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message #104. Just as with Berkshire and other long-term stories, I am skeptical that Fairfax's results in the distant past are relevant to today's company. I think the ...
I believe in admission of the same thing. >>> It seems as though some may expect Fairfax to write business well below a 100% combined ratio. That isn't their long-term ...
the risk free rate is a great way to evaluate the company. Some think that Fairfax will generate sustained underwriting profits in the 3-5% range going forward, but I don'...
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or were not an anomaly, I have been trying to dig into the sources of Fairfax's success and problems to try to identify which things may recur and which may ...
about over the last several posts. After a lot of analysis my conclusion is that Fairfax is still in store for more bumps and bruises. I'm just not willing to ...
be invested in the top 5% insurers in the years to come. I strongly believe Fairfax is firmly at the top of that list which also includes Berkshire and Markel. Fairfax ...
nbsp; Well these are certainly good questions, and something that we should be asking Fairfax management. Their results show that they are slightly underpricing their business and not achieving the ...
was for the cost of float to be less than the risk free rate. Fairfax has hit that mark over their 20 years. Now, that they have scale, ...
is to write business at 100%. It seems as though some may expect Fairfax to write business well below a 100% combined ratio. That isn't their long-...
lt;< Well these are certainly good questions, and something that we should be asking Fairfax management. Their results show that they are slightly underpricing their business and not achieving the ...
insurance results tend to get worse the larger the amount of float, and assuming that Fairfax continues to grow its float, it should have more of it over the next 22 ...
Broad insurance industry averages usually indicate a cost of float in the 3-6% range. Fairfax is simply no better and no worse than average, which isn't such a horrible ...
do a few points better than that, say -3% to 0%. <<< Well Fairfax's long term cost of float over 22 years is around 3%, and down from ...
overall results). I don't see any reason to expect results to improve from here. Fairfax is not small any more, and I expect insurance results to get worse as they ...
to that question are all of the reasons that I'm not very excited about Fairfax's prospects. It is interesting to go back over the last 10 years to see ...
wide margin, something like a 10,000%+ gain versus just under 4000% for FFH. Fairfax book value 1985 = $1.52 Fairfax book value 2007 = $230.01 Compounded FFH annual ...
Leucadia's dividend and compounded it since 1999, while I have excluded the dividend that Fairfax has been paying. The only thing I can see you comparing with those numbers ...
nbsp; I don't know of any insurance company that has returned close to Fairfax from 1985-2007. Combine that with the mistakes Prem and Fairfax made with TIG ...
couple of things... - Some of the value of Fairfax, or any enterprise, lies in the "pattern" of the business - call it culture, human resources, ...
posts and you will plainly see that I make comments stating precisely that I think Fairfax is worth more than book due to the value of it's float. But ...
than book for an insurer -- I am disregarding his advice here as it pertains to Fairfax. I am afraid you seem to be taking this discussion too personally Yes, ...
of what you think the float is worth. I even stated that I believe Fairfax deserves a premium. True, but you also said: So, to cut a long ...
of what you think the float is worth. I even stated that I believe Fairfax deserves a premium. So, when you state that banks/insurers sometimes trade above ...
worth more than book. Yet, that might be at odds with my claim that Fairfax is worth more than book. You know, I've seen some posts asserting ...
that because Fairfax's leverage is "no cost", or that because it is engaged in an active enterprise ...
I think that it is finally time for <st1:City><st1:place> Fairfax </st1:place></st1:City> to repurchase shares. Forget the dividend this year. &...
after adding in the off balance sheet value of <st1:City><st1:place> Fairfax </st1:place></st1:City> <st1:place> Asia </st1:place> . At ...
that's life! This is the first and only truly rocky period that Fairfax went through, where the existence of the company and its credibility were contested...even compromised ...
the acquisition of GenRe. If GenRe had been bigger, the fallout would have rivaled Fairfax's, as they had no future loss reserve insurance from Swiss Re. Regardless of ...
lt; Well most insurers are "two legged", with underwriting and investments being the two legs. Fairfax's main differences from a typical insurer are 1) a focus on run-off operations, ...
is impressive, though I think this is only possible because of their limited scope. Is Fairfax's formula superior? There was a time when it seemed undoubtedly so and the stock ...
be cautious. And not to "put on a cloud", but I have never seen that Fairfax's insurance operations have been exemplary in their results, and if the average industry performance ...
It seem i'm most optimist on Fairfax than some of you. I hope you are not right, for my portfolio. Are we ...
years was somewhere around 105%, and the next 20 years is somewhere around 110%, and Fairfax continues to be unable to avoid average results, the next decade or two could prove ...
Well, I've followed Fairfax very closely for about 10 years. I think their real skill is in investing. Frankly, ...
years was somewhere around 105%, and the next 20 years is somewhere around 110%, and Fairfax continues to be unable to avoid average results, the next decade or two could prove ...
pretty tough for them. Structurally, I have always thought that Fairfax was a two-legged stool because both of their operations, insurance and investing, are very ...
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Tiddman, Based on this analysis, can you say conclusively that Fairfax is a business that will consistently generate above-average returns on equity? Tiddman I ...
address your question. The world is the way it is. Book value for Fairfax is calculated using market prices. Same with mutual funds and hedge funds. This ...
average returns on equity, but not in a regular fashion. Here is a history of Fairfax's return on equity: 1999 4.3% 2000 4.1% 2001 (11.9%) 2002 12....
9% and the 10 year stock returns are around 19%. So based on this history, Fairfax as a whole has been generating returns on equity well below average, and well below ...
the investment returns. I am very well aware of Fairfax's history and know that this analysis emphasizes a particularly rough period, though 8 years ...
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returns is greater than the sum of the parts, since the float effectively adds leverage. Fairfax's investment portfolio is about $18.5 billion while book value is about $4.7 ...
returns, but also for increased risk. If Pabrai's portfolio were levered as much as Fairfax's, he would already have been wiped out. I know that this is not a ...
fair comparison since Pabrai is 100% equities while Fairfax is more like 18%, but hopefully you see my point. Whether or not any insurance ...
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anything. But you do have to pay more to the tax collector. If Fairfax books a capital gain, they pay tax. Then if I sell my shares at ...
pay yet another tax. There are also rates of tax -- I don't think Fairfax gets the same 15% tax rate that I do on long term capital gains and ...
the universally accepted way of computing book value per share. Just as an example, Fairfax computes common shareholders' equity per share on page 7 of the 2007 annual report using ...
the universally accepted way of computing book value per share. Just as an example, Fairfax computes common shareholders' equity per share on page 7 of the 2007 annual report using ...
Did you get my last post on book value per share at Fairfax as of 12/31/2005? ...
to Third Point. All of the names of are effectionately known as "The Enterprise" in Fairfax's complaint letter (linked below). According to Fairfax, Jeff Perry worked closely with Spyro ...
of jail by William Gahan, the head of ICP (Institutional Credit Partners). Fairfax suggests that Jeff Perry assisted Spyro by orchestrating negative press reports and republishing those ...
contacts at Morgan Keegan is Mr. Gwynn who put out the most outrageous analysis of Fairfax that I can recall. Mr. Gwynn is alleged to have provided advanced notice of&...
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around, as there were many companies who put themselves in a precarious position. Even Fairfax had bitten off more than they could chew with the TIG & C&F ...
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nice change from 'value trap' but i dunno, coul...
In the business context, it means poor businesses, asse...
what no translation for <<des cochonneries >>?
Might be easier to read if you go directly to the Google-tra...
Brands of s' to hang to the life buoy of 64 million dollars launched by Fairfax Financial. Click more: Macro-economy | Investments | Finances (general) | Schools, colleges and colleges | Prem Watsa | Paul ...
Rivett The “magnanimity” of Fairfax Financial is well-known in Ontario, where l' one épie least gestures of this Toronto-...
this champion of the businesses in difficulties remains ignored. That made l' perfectly; business of Fairfax, whose leaders flee the cameras and the microphones. It n' there does not have so ...
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Omagh, The companies that you mention are very we...
Good, fair and balanced article about Fairfax that was published today (in French only ) http://lapresseaffaires.cyberpresse.ca/article/20080816/...
It came about after Fairfax received a call from investment bankers at BMO Nesbitt Burns Inc. last week pitching the ...
idea of an infusion from Fairfax." you would have to think there is a huge lineup at their door. ...
Fairfax's lawsuit against ICP is going to trial. John Gwynn's counterclaim against Farifax ...
I think that it is finally time for Fairfax to repurchase shares. Forget the dividend this year. I think book is roughly $...
275 after adding in the off balance sheet value of Fairfax Asia. At a price of $230 today, that's a 19.5% immediate return ...
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080812.RFAIRFAX12/TP It came about after Fairfax received a call from investment bankers at BMO Nesbitt Burns Inc. last week pitching the ...
idea of an infusion from Fairfax. Within a couple of days, Fairfax officials met with the Bertrand family, which runs Mega Brands. Fairfax chief executive officer Prem ...
of the transaction, the show of faith by the company's founder was key for Fairfax, according to sources familiar with the negotiations. "We're open to this type of thing," ...
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ROB article http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080811.wrmega12/GIStory <QUOTE>Fairfax chief Prem Watsa says he has confidence in Mega Brands' future. “There has been a ...
ISSUE $75 MILLION OF CONVERTIBLE DEBENTURES Mega Brands Inc. has entered into an agreement with Fairfax Financial Holdings Ltd.; Chiefswood Holdings Ltd.; the Owners Fund; and Victor J. Bertrand Sr., the ...
private placement $75-million of senior unsecured convertible debentures maturing on Aug. 31, 2013, with Fairfax investing $64-million and Mr. Bertrand investing $7-million in the offering. The proceeds of ...
company like Mega Brands, one of the world's leading toy brands," said Prem Watsa, Fairfax's chief executive officer. "Under the leadership and creative direction of the founding Bertrand family, ...
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has struck a deal to receive an injection of needed financing from Toronto-based insurer Fairfax Financial Holdings Ltd. The deal, which is expected to close later this month, involves a $...
75-million private placement of unsecured convertible debentures that mature Aug. 31, 2013. Fairfax will invest $64-million, and Victor J. Bertrand Sr., the company's founder and chairman, ...
will invest $7-million. Fairfax's investment in the manufacturer resembles a deal the insurer did in March to refinance ...
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or pertain to any investment the MPIC Funds or CMC holds including anything about Fairfax. It's just simpler, and avoids this type of reaction, as well as helps ...
Here's an article from today's Globe & Mail on Fairfax's investment in Canwest. What I really like about the article are these comments: &...
in cash at a time when many citizens of corporate Canada are desperate for capital, Fairfax has already played a central role in rebuilding... ...As the credit crunch plays out, ...
firms like Fairfax are increasingly being looked to as financial saviours. Mr. Rivett said the firm is "getting ...
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don't understand what all the hubaloo is about. According to the Conference Call; Fairfax was approached by two shareholders to be bought out (and I guess that was the ...
had to make the same offer to everybody else. So I don't think Fairfax is "trying" to buy out the company although if they get it - I'm sure ...
rationalangle.blogspot.com/2008/08/black-box-insurers.html Good post about European Insurers and Fairfax....